How do I deal with multiple offenders without punishing the whole class?

Question:I am a band teacher, and it is the third of day of school. I have a class of 45 sixth graders (normal class size for band) right after their lunch. I'd estimate that 30-35 of the kids are behaving wonderfully, but 10-15 are not. Not knowing all of their names yet makes this issue more complicated. I have a seating chart (numbers), but given the class size and constant schedule changes, it's difficult reference the chart to quickly call someone by name. I have tried to solve talking problems by "practicing being quiet" and just refusing to go on while students are talking, but the GOOD kids are getting frustrated because they feel they are being punished for something they didn't do, which is true. I can't go kicking kids out of the room, because kids these days will just walk away. How can I gain control of these few misbehaving students while not punishing the whole class? It is my 2nd year of teaching, so they probably think I am a new teacher, since I am also new to this school.

Answers:
You can't

When a peer group dynamic has gone bad, you must change the whole peer group not the the actors currently manifesting.

Do not punish, simply motivate and control. Announce a firm consequence to all and let the chips lay where they fall

Take some time off in class and have each student tell what they want out of Band. When you get to those who misbehave let the others in the class tell them how they feel.

You can not control student but the class can. Make the peer group dynamic work for you. The band must become a gang with a common goal.

matt t - I fully understand where you are coming from and why you are only a substitute teacher. You are the teacher we avoid. 1960 won't work in a 2007 classroom.

Verbal abuse turns misbehaving student into abused misbehaving student. It shuts them up but it doesn't make them a team. A band must be a team.
Give all of the good students a reward that the bad students do not get. It has to be something they want though! I had a teacher who gave out pop corn. Can you make the bad ones stay after and talk to them about their behavior ruining class for everyone else? Tell them you know its hard to behave sometimes and tell them if they learn to behave they will recieve some sort of reward. If they refuse to cooperate call their parents!
I have had this problem a lot from subbing. Its easy when there is one or two students, but when you have a dozen or so then it becomes difficult. You feel like your losing your mind and you have no control. One good thing is to Yell. It works! Kids don't like to be yelled at. I don't like to yell, but when I have to I do. When it gets this bad I will yell at the top of my lungs and try to instill fear into the students. It usually works. Then I will threaten to send all the misbehaving students down to the principal for an in-school suspension. Usually giving one student an in-school does the trick very well. I will pick the most misbehaving one of the bunch and give him an in-school.
be harsh at the beiging (latter in the year u can lossen up) tell every kid the get to be talked to 3times and then there hole grade will be droped a letter grade a to b next they get to turns then b to then send them if they mees up again nout off the room let them leave u tried they will be the ones in trouble
Read Harry Wong's "First Days of School" now. Follow his advice on classroom management. It's a lifesaver.
Firstly, band is not math or english where everyone has to take it . Aside from the occasional student with demanding parents who are trying to live vicariously, all the students are there because they WANT to be - which makes it puzzling.
But kids who are bored or idle are bound to get into trouble.

I would firstly put aside being completely academic and select a few more contemporary songs that the kids WANT to learn to play and can get excited about. Either pick a few choices and have them vote or have them make suggestions and see if you can order the sheet music for it. (or have a vote or a contest about whose song wins ) . (or give them the catalog and brainstorm). when they are "involved" they are more likely to behave.

There are arrangements for various levels of skill available for some popular songs. Of course there will be well known classics and marches that kids recognize and want to learn to play, but find out where their interests lie and find a beginner or intermediate level arrangement of the "star wars" or "indiana jones" themes if that strikes their fancy (the indy movie is coming up next year after all) - many tv show themes are available too. Or oftentimes the most popular top 10 hits that hung on for awhile/caught on with a large audience are available

What my band teacher did when anyone was caught chewing gum while playing or acting out of line is they had to get up on the podium and sing a song of his choosing. (usually something in the public domain) People were so embarrassed to do it and so caught off guard that it quit the gum chewing really fast. But if when we had a say and got to live out our fantasy of playing a favorite song along with the Sousa marches - we behaved much better

another tip - they will only try to get under your skin if they know it bothers you
I had library classes similar to this. What I tell them is that if I can't tell if they are following directions or not. The students that are following directions really stand out. The students go out of their way to make me notice them.
Band is a privilege, not a right. Eject them.

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